DISQUS

Floweringsoul · 7 months ago

I've just begun reading Byron Katie and she touches on this concept but I had no clue what she meant. You've made it much clearer for me but I still can't get my mind around the everything/nothing concept!

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

It can only be a concept to the mind, what is being spoken here is not a concept, it's what is seen when all concepts are dropped.

It's the minds job to separate everything into division and in this way it must pick one of the two seemly opposites, in some cases it can see how both can be sought, but get two seemly extreme opposites together and the mind can't understand that paradox, quite impossible. Usually the mind gives up and realization is revealed.

I have an article sechelded to post at a later time, but I will paste some of it here sense it applies:
It's not impossible for the mind to give up, in fact, it happens more than most realize, but it's not seen because people are told that a certain expereince has a specific meaning, so if that expereince appears, they shrug it off as the meaning they were told.

For example, the feeling of déjà vu is said to mean French for 'already seen', yet déjà vu is the expereince of seeing yourself everywhere. Déjà vu is not very common because the mind has to drop away to have it. Statics say that 80% of people report having the expereince at least once in their lives, but it shows that enlightenment is as common as déjà vu (which is more common then most would have thought).

Most people don't see what déjà vu really means because they believe it means something else. In fact people are told that when déjà vu is happening, to do something else, as quickly as you can, to make sure history doesn't repeat itself again. Hence the illusion of self is reinforced again by thinking that there is a separate person there that has a choice to do something else and the feeling of déjà vu doesn't last long.

However there are different intensities to déjà vu and that range is the same with enlightenment, yet even at its most subtle form, it's still there is far background. Therefore, enlightenment is not about seeking a déjà vu expereince, since it's already there in the background when the beliefs and the thoughts of the mind are not believed. Yet, there is nobody there to choose to believe thoughts or not, yet that may arise.

Suzanne · 7 months ago

Marvelous Nicholas, as clear and to the point as any meaningless words can be. Leave 'em wanting nothing, as they say in the biz.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

Indeed. The way this is seen here, pointing seems to arise different ways from the same one truth and where it leads:
1. Dissolve the questioner.
2. Point as close as possible to the truth (as close as words come), leaving no room for the mind to stand on any concept.
3. Question the questioners assumptions.
4. Take away 'their' concept, by giving them a new one to stand on, then pulling the new concept away so there is nowhere for the mind to stand.
5. Give them a practice that is designed to frustrate and fail the mind, so the mind eventually gives up.

Of course these are not separate things and they all appear at 'different times' for 'different pointers' (at least for here), but either way, it's all utterly pointless. Nicholas has fun though. *grin*

Suzanne · 7 months ago

If there is a point, and there isn't, fun will do as well as any.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

For sure.

Kyle · 7 months ago

I'm not going to pretend to understand this.

I appreciate the endeavor though.

I hope people give you money/attention/props for your contribution.

Sometimes that's all we can give...

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

There is nothing to understand and therefore, it can't be understood. The appearance of understanding may arise and that is this too, but understanding or not understanding is this too. There is nothing that is not this, but there is nobody to understand or not understand it.

This pointing arises out of natural spontaneous stimulus response, there is nobody doing it. Just like how you found this article in the first place, through a series of naturally spontaneous seemly events.

There is nobody here to receive money/attention/props, but that may still arise. Nobody is choosing to do this, so nobody desires 'somebody else' to give anything back (there is nothing here being given to anybody). Yet, an appreciate would still naturally arise out of money/attention/props, but it's not necessary, nothing is. Whatever arises, arises and it's all accepted because it's all this.

lesego · 5 months ago

thought- provoking

nicholaspowiull · 5 months ago

:)

wayne42 · 5 months ago

I agree with what was said but i also disagree. There is always something to gain if you experience separation and loss. There is always choice if you consentrate on going right instead of left, there will still be right and left but right will be intensified as it manifested into your reality. There can still be purpose if you choose to have direction, intensify yourself in one place but lessen yourself in another place. There can also be new if you incorporate time in its simple construct.

nicholaspowiull · 5 months ago

Disagreeing is perfectly fine, there is contentment here with that. There is nobody here that cares what arises here or there. If over there, it is believed that there is a you and this you has choice, then have fun with that. Over here, it is seen to be nothing but an illusion and a fun one at times. If however, the you gets frustrated at the fact that maybe it has no power to manifest what it wants and the you starts questioning its ability and its reality, there are ways to point the you out of itself. What is being pointed to here, is that when the you is seen to have no substance, it is replaced by a oneness that is indescribable. The you expands to seeing itself everywhere and when that is seen, the you is realized to not be there and never was.

There is a relating to where the perspective there is coming from though. The you is a powerful force. It's like watching a magic trick without knowing the secret behind it. If the secret is not seen and there is no logical basis in which to understand the illusion, it seems very real. And when one has seen that magic trick being preformed continuously without life, it becomes accepted as normal, not a trick. In order to have a you, that you has to have the ability to choose. Not all you's belief that they can manifest, but all you's believe they have choice. So choose away, nothing wrong with it. Whatever is arising, is perfectly fine.

wayne42 · 5 months ago

You can see time as real. Consider the universe as expanding.The past is a piece of the future.
there for the future is greater than the past.
Then you can see, there was a past and there will be a future and they are different.

nicholaspowiull · 5 months ago

From here, this moment now is eternal and there is no such past or future. If you were to remember the past or think of the past, you are doing it now. If you were to project your mind into thinking of the future, that is done right now. They are both (past and future) a figment of the imagination projected by the mind, in this eternal now.