DISQUS

Suzanne · 7 months ago

Conditioning may arise, as part of a story. Whatever comes up is perfect. Whatever it is.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

Indeed, none of it matters, since it's all a perfect happening.

Suzanne · 7 months ago

I think it's fascinating, just reading your post and mine for today, how we're borrowing words and concepts from each other, probably not entirely consciously. There's only a limited list available, by some tacit agreement between those who try to write about this, so it seems. Absolutely, utterly fascinating. The whole shebang is really.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

*laughs* I did notice that too! Awesome deal.

One pointing online friend of mine ( Scott Kiloby http://www.kiloby.com/ ) says that this message seems to naturally and spontaneously 'evolve', especially when two or more pointers get together. I do feel he is onto something there, I can see it with you and I.

Suzanne · 7 months ago

Scott's cool. Has similar story of addiction to "mine". Sits in 12 step program meetings, fear arising, not wanting to share because "nothing matters" is perhaps not the ideal message for someone just off the booze or whatever; in the story of addiction, the rationalisation process is king. Caring arises. It just does.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

I was addicted too, a very keen spiritual addiction. Always searching and seeking for the next best thing, never realizing how addiction took over 'my' life. I thought I was just bettering myself. I thought I was happy with it, I thought I was doing good. *laughs* It's funny now, but I took it very seriously 'than'.

Caring does arises, more dominate now, it seems. Emptiness arises that way naturally here, through seeing itself everywhere, that unconditional love arises for everybody and everything. Since it lets go of everything and allows everything to be as it is, it can care with unconditional love. It seems fully not caring, springs forth the highest caring there is.

Suzanne · 7 months ago

Hmmm. Sure. Everything is available, though, and telling people to f*** off arises as well! Oneness, love, whatever, in its curmudgeonly guise.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

Yes and there is that too, although the conditioning here never has lead to that. This body/mind has had a lot of spiritual influence conditioning it before this was seen. Indeed it is all of this though: the Hitler and the Jesus, oneness. The violence and the peace, same. It is all this, there no part of this it is not since it's not parted at all. It's Oneness expressing Itself in seemly infinite ways.

Chris Edgar · 7 months ago

Thanks for this post. What came up for me when I read it was how much my creativity (or, should I say, creativity without the "my") is stimulated when I let go of responsibility for what I am thinking -- when I no longer think of them as "my" ideas or thoughts. That seems to create space for ideas to arise, where "writer's block" existed before.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

Indeed, some call this being in the flow or getting in the zone. The reason this is so powerful, is because things happen on there own accord (always have, but the illusion blocks of self are removed). In fact, the reason why people are willing to pay so much for people who can access this, is because it is rare. Like in sports for example, they have the rare ability to be intuitive. Intuition is a natural and spontaneous happening, that arises when one is not concerned with self. It takes a full being in the moment.

Thank you for stopping by and commenting Chris, it's good to see you here. Stop by anytime.

Suzanne · 7 months ago

The flow, writer's block, intution, illusion blocks, space for ideas to arise, creativity without the my...fascinating. But one is not more valuable than the other. They are all equally illusory, and equally miraculous. Who is it that is concerned, or not concerned, with "self"? There's nobody home. There never was. There's nothing wrong with any of it, it is, all of it. Poor old ego. There's nothing wrong with it.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

True that! :)

Sean · 7 months ago

This is wonderful...Thank You.

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

It's my pleasure.

Thank you for stopping by, reading it, and commenting. :)

Holon · 7 months ago

Nicholas, immensely enjoyed your write up.

I am not one of the few who has tasted that awareness. I get what you describe about conditioning in the first part of your article. But, you make the following statement in the second part:

"Underneath all the conditioning, this awareness is the same awareness. Underneath all 'your' conditioning, the same exact awareness is there in 'everybody': this void, this vast eternal formless space of nothingness. It is watching these words being written and it's watching these words being read right now. Same. One awareness."

This one-ness is not obvious to me. It does not rationally follow from the preceding part. But this has been declared universally by all who have had this enlightenment. Where does this idea/concept come from? Is this an intuitive perception you are left with as an enlightened being? Do you feel it innately?

nicholaspowiull · 7 months ago

Oneness is not an idea/concept, it's what is seen when all ideas/concepts are dropped. Yet even saying that is an idea/concept, so with words; this can only be pointed to, talked around, or directly realized. Oneness is just an idea/concept trying to point to something that is not a idea/concept, yet it's every word/idea/concept simultaneously.

When this awareness (another idea/concept, trying to point), is said to write these words and read these words that are being written. It's not a literally expereince of perceiving this awareness writing and perceiving this awareness from another perspective of reading it too. It's the literal expereince/knowing/shift in perspective/intuitive (again more concepts) of seeing yourself from your seemly body/mind awareness within all things that awareness can observe. Awareness recognizing itself everywhere it observes from this body/mind perspective and simultaneously since it recognizes itself everywhere, it realizes that it is every perspective and no-perspective since every perspective is it.

There are no enlightened or unenlightened beings, in fact, you can be sure that if someone says "I am enlightened" then what is recognized is not realized because what is seen, is that there is nobody there to be enlightened or unenlightened. Every perspective is one perspective, therefore, there is no specific perspective that is outside all perspectives. In other words, everything is everything and nothing is outside of everything, so there is no way for one to be something else then what already is, which is one thing, appearing as everything.

Basically my experience is ordinary most of the time, as with all so-called 'enlightened', with a very subtle knowing/shift in perspective/intuitive in the background and it is in the background of 'everybody'. It's just about bringing it from the background, to the foreground, in order to see it more clearly.

So after 'enlightenment' most of the time it's a very subtle perspective/knowing/intuitive and sometimes it's even so subtle that the sense of an individual self seems to have come back, but the seeing of this experience/perspective/knowing/intuitive, is seeing that the illusion is not real, rather it's there or not. So if it's there, it doesn't matter and if it's not there, it doesn't matter.

Everything is one thing, but there is nobody there to claim that one thing because that one thing is everything/nothing simultaneously, meaning that the one is everything yet doing nothing.